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PostSubyek: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 09:26

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Para Kardinal.
Btw kemarin yang disebut oleh Romo Yopi yang mana ya ?


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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 09:31

Karena nama saya Cinzano ... minuman dari italia.
Maka pilihan saya Italia....Mgr. Angelo Scola
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Angelo Scola (Italian pronunciation: [ˌandʒelo ˈskɔːla]) (born 7 November 1941) is an Italian Cardinal of the Catholic Church, philosopher and theologian. He was appointed Archbishop of Milan by Pope Benedict XVI on 28 June 2011.[1] He had served as Patriarch of Venice since 2002. He was elevated to the cardinalate in 2003. He is considered a contender to succeed Pope Benedict XVI, who resigned on 28 February 2013.[2]
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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 09:40

Calon Romo Yopi .... Cardinal Marc Ouellet
Kiri bawah


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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 09:41

Tinggal menunggu Mod Bruce ama Ki Nothingmannnn
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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 09:56

Saya lebih pilih pasif saja lah om, biar Tuhan yang pilihkan buat saya. He he he.

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 10:21

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Saya lebih pilih pasif saja lah om, biar Tuhan yang pilihkan buat saya. He he he.

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Seharusnya Mod Bruce pilih yang dari Afrika.
Singa kan dari Afrika


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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 10:24

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Saya lebih pilih pasif saja lah om, biar Tuhan yang pilihkan buat saya. He he he.

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Hmmm ............ apakah penganut Predestinasi ......




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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 10:25

Kalau di thread sebelan, dari gurat wajah, saya memang suka yang dari Africa, om, he he he.
Tetapi..... apakah umat Eropa sudah siap untuk dipimpin oleh seorang Paus dari Africa?
Sepertinya masih butuh waktu

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 10:28

Menurut saya ... memang belum siap.
Seharusnya yang dilihat kan bukan tampak luarnya.
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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 10:31

cinzano wrote:
Menurut saya ... memang belum siap.
Seharusnya yang dilihat kan bukan tampak luarnya.

Faktor like/dislike memang masih kuat, walau semua juga menyadari bahwa like/dislike adalah sifat manusia.

Tetapi.... Kalau benar benar sampai terjadi, Paus mendatang berasal dari Africa, menurut anda apakah akan terjadi umat yang mbalelo atau tidak, om?

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 10:37

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cinzano wrote:
Menurut saya ... memang belum siap.
Seharusnya yang dilihat kan bukan tampak luarnya.

Faktor like/dislike memang masih kuat, walau semua juga menyadari bahwa like/dislike adalah sifat manusia.

Tetapi.... Kalau benar benar sampai terjadi, Paus mendatang berasal dari Africa, menurut anda apakah akan terjadi umat yang mbalelo atau tidak, om?

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IMHO kalo sampai mbalelo sih enggak.
Tapi bagi orang asia, dipimpin bos bule terasa lebih wah (maaf sebelumnya) daripada dipimpin bos dari afrika.

Kalo efeknya menurut saya sih ....
Kalo dipimpin dari Eropa ... liturgi Latinnya tetap utama.
Kalo dipimpin dari Afrika .... ada kemungkinan liturginya ada penyesuaian.
Karena nyanyian2 Afrika lebih rancak dan geraknya lebih cepat.

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 10:43

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Karena nyanyian2 Afrika lebih rancak dan geraknya lebih cepat.

Naaah ini, walau mungkin tidak akan merubah aturan liturgi di Vatican, tetapi mungkin akan sedikit 'memeriahkan' liturgi Gereja Katolik di belahan dunia lainnya. Di Africa pasti jadi meriah, di Asia, Australia, mungkin berubah, sementara di Amerika pasti akan jadi seru.

Asal jangan jadi kebablasan saja ya, he he he.

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 13:34

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dikutip dari nytimes.com/2013/03/06/us/poll-shows-disconnect-between-us-catholics-and-church.html?pagewanted=2&src=un&feedurl=http://json8.nytimes.com/pages/world/europe/index.jsonp

Roman Catholics in the United States say that their church and bishops
are out of touch, and that the next pope should lead the church in a
more modern direction on issues like birth control and ordaining women
and married men as priests, according to the latest New York Times/CBS
News poll.

Seven out of 10 say Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican
have done a poor job of handling sexual abuse, a significant rise from
three years ago. A majority said that the issue had led them to question
the Vatican’s authority. The sexual abuse of children by priests is the
largest problem facing the church, Catholics in the poll said.

Three-fourths of those polled said they thought it was a good idea for
Benedict to resign. Most wanted the next pope to be “someone younger,
with new ideas.” A majority said they wanted the next pope to make the
church’s teachings more liberal.

With cardinals now in Rome preparing to elect Benedict’s successor, the
poll indicated that the church’s hierarchy had lost the confidence and
allegiance of many American Catholics, an intensification of a long-term
trend. They like their priests and nuns, but many feel that the bishops
and cardinals do not understand their lives.

“I don’t think they are in the trenches with people,” said Therese
Spender, 51, a homemaker in Fort Wayne, Ind., who said she attended Mass
once a week and agreed to answer further questions after the poll.
“They go to a lot of meetings, but they are not out in the street.”


Even Catholics who frequently attend Mass said they were not following
the bishops’ lead on issues that the church had recently invested much
energy, money and credibility in fighting — artificial birth control and
same-sex marriage.

Eric O’Leary, 38, a funeral director in Des Moines who attends Mass
weekly, said: “I would like them not to be so quick to condemn people
because of their sexual preference or because of abortion, or to refuse
priests the right to get married or women to be priests. I don’t think
the church should get involved in whether or not people use birth
control.”

The nationwide telephone poll was conducted on landlines and cellphones
from Feb. 23 to 27, when many Catholics were still absorbing news of the
first resignation of a pope in 600 years. The margin of sampling error
is plus or minus four percentage points for the 580 Catholics, who were
oversampled for purposes of analysis in the survey of 1,585 adults.


Benedict, a soft-spoken scholar and a church traditionalist, had
apparently made little impression on American Catholics in his eight
years as pope. Half of those in the poll said they either had no opinion
of him or had not heard enough about him. Nevertheless, 4 in 10 had a
favorable opinion, and only one in 10 unfavorable.

“He’s written three or four books, and his writings are incredible,”
said Leonard Lefebvre, 70, a retired economist in Tequesta, Fla. “He’s
continued on course, and he’s held the religion to where it’s supposed
to be at.”

The poll suggested that the papacy no longer occupies the exalted
position it once did. Asked whether the pope is infallible when he
teaches on matters of morality and faith, 40 percent said yes, 46
percent said no, and 14 percent said they did not know. Nearly 8 in 10
Catholics polled said they would be more likely to follow their
conscience on “difficult moral questions” than to follow the pope’s
teachings.

When asked which “one thing” they would “most like to see the next pope
accomplish,” the most common responses that respondents volunteered
were, in order: bring people back to church, modernize the church, unify
the church, and do something about sexual abuse.

A spate of new information about prelates hiding the misdeeds of
pedophile priests appeared to have taken a toll. A higher percentage of
Catholics said the pope and the Vatican had done a poor job of handling
reports of past sexual abuse recently (69 percent) compared with 2010
(55 percent), when the abuse scandal flared in many European countries.
This is despite the church’s many reforms in the last 10 years and
reports of abuse by priests in the United States declining drastically.


Majorities said they wanted to see the next pope maintain the church’s
opposition to abortion and the death penalty, even though they
themselves were not opposed to them. Three-quarters of Catholics
supported abortion under at least some circumstances, and three-fifths
favored the death penalty.

“I can understand how the Catholic Church stands against it,” said Geri
Toni, 57, of abortion. “We are not supposed to kill. That is one of our
Ten Commandments.”
“But as a woman,” said Ms. Toni, who lives in Fort Myers, Fla., and
attends Mass weekly, “I have to make sense of it, and I believe choice
comes down to the individual.”


On every other hotly debated issue, Catholics wanted the next pope to
lead the church in an about-face. Seven of 10 Catholics polled said the
next pope should let priests marry, let women become priests and allow
the use of artificial methods of birth control. Nine of 10 said they
wanted the next pope to allow the use of condoms to prevent the spread
of H.I.V. and other diseases.

Sixty-two percent of Catholics said they were in favor of legalizing
marriage for same-sex couples. Catholics approved of same-sex marriage
at a higher rate than Americans as a whole, among whom 53 percent
approved.

John Sadel, 28, a supervisor in a plastics production facility in
Bethlehem, Pa., said, “I’m not saying change everything the church
stands for, but you need to evolve with the times if you want to remain a
viable religion.”

The American bishops also appear to have lost ground among their own
flock in their campaign to fight the White House rule that requires
employers to provide insurance coverage for contraceptives — a campaign
the bishops say is about religious freedom.

One year ago, two-thirds of Catholics polled said that religiously
affiliated employers, like hospitals or universities, should be allowed
to opt out of covering birth control for their female employees because
of religious or moral objections. In the most recent poll, only about
half of Catholics said they agreed.

The issue has become a political litmus test, with Catholic bishops and
religious conservatives saying that their religious freedom is being
threatened by President Obama’s policies. But when asked what the debate
is about, only 40 percent of Catholics polled said “religious freedom,”
while 50 percent said “women’s health and their rights” — an indication
that Mr. Obama’s framing of the issue is holding sway even among many
Catholics.

Catholics seemed to feel far more warmly toward their local priests than
those in the hierarchy. Seven in 10 Catholics in the poll said they
felt that their parish priests were “in touch with the needs of
Catholics today.” Eighty-five percent of those who attend Mass said the
sermons were excellent or good.

Nearly two-thirds of Catholics polled said they had not changed the
amount of money they contributed to the church in the last few years; 16
percent said they gave more; 17 percent said less. Of those giving
less, half said it was because of financial circumstances, and
one-quarter cited unhappiness with the church.

Nationwide, bishops are closing parish churches and schools to save
money and to respond to changing demographics. The reorganization is so
sweeping that the poll found that 11 percent of Catholics who attend
Mass said their parish church had closed or merged in the last few
years.

Semoga tekanan "dunia" tidak menggoyahkan terang yang sesungguhnya.
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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 13:44

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Roman Catholics in the United States say that their church and bishops
are out of touch, and that the next pope should lead the church in a
more modern direction on issues like birth control and ordaining women
and married men as priests, according to the latest New York Times/CBS
News poll.

birth control ..... Isue pro life or pro choice.
Pro choice beranggapan bahwa apa yang ada didalam dirinya dapat diatur sekehendak dirinya. Seperti memotong kuku, rambut dll. Termasuk aborsi.

Women and married men as priests ..............
Ini membuka jalan bagi Mod Bruce dan saya untuk menjadi Clerus.
IMHO kebijakan selibat bagi Clerus merupakan disiplin, tetap jauh lebih baik daripada berkeluarga.
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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 13:44

Oh no, jangan sampai deh keingingan 'modernisasi' ala amerika itu menyentuh Gereja Katolik. Lebih baik Gereja Katolik tersisa puluhan penganut saja dibanding selparuh dunia menganut 'Katolik' dengan kebebasan di luar batas seperti itu. Apa gunanya beragama Katolik, kalau kelakuan identik dengan 'gereja dunia' ?

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 14:18

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Oh no, jangan sampai deh keingingan 'modernisasi' ala amerika itu menyentuh Gereja Katolik. Lebih baik Gereja Katolik tersisa puluhan penganut saja dibanding selparuh dunia menganut 'Katolik' dengan kebebasan di luar batas seperti itu. Apa gunanya beragama Katolik, kalau kelakuan identik dengan 'gereja dunia' ?

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 14:22

Mengapa jadi Clerus? Enakan jadi da'i om, cepat kaya, he he eh he

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 14:49

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Even Catholics who frequently attend Mass said they were not following
the bishops’ lead on issues that the church had recently invested much
energy, money and credibility in fighting — artificial birth control and
same-sex marriage.



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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 14:58

Justru itu, biarkan saja manusia yang ingin kebebasan berlaku menyimpang keluar dari Gereja Katolik, tidak ada yang memaksa mereka menjadi Katolik koq.

Ingin bebas, silahkan, tetapi di luar Gereja Katolik.

Begitu kan om.

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 15:37

bruce wrote:
Justru itu, biarkan saja manusia yang ingin kebebasan berlaku menyimpang keluar dari Gereja Katolik, tidak ada yang memaksa mereka menjadi Katolik koq.

Ingin bebas, silahkan, tetapi di luar Gereja Katolik.

Begitu kan om.

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Sudah beberapa hari Mod Husada enggak muncul.
Apa ke Vatikan juga ???


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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 15:48

Ngga om, beliau belum unya hak memilih dan dipilih, saya khawatir malah ke Sumatra Utara jadi Jurkam, hari Kamis ini ada pilkada kan?

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   6th March 2013, 16:34

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Ngga om, beliau belum unya hak memilih dan dipilih, saya khawatir malah ke Sumatra Utara jadi Jurkam, hari Kamis ini ada pilkada kan?

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   7th March 2013, 06:23

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TRIBUNNEWS.COM, VATIKAN - Hingga hari keempat sidang pra-konklaf, jumlah kardinal yang semestinya harus ada belum lengkap. Sidang pra-konklaf hari ini, Rabu (6/3/2013) baru dihadiri 153 Kardinal.
Meskipun hari ini, empat Kardinal baru bergabung karena baru tiba Selasa (5/3/2013) malam, jumlah Kardinal pemilih khususnya masih belum lengkap.
Radio vatikan menyiarkan, Rabu (6/3/2013), ketiga diantara empat Kardinal yang baru tiba merupakan kardinal yang memiliki hak memilih. Yakni, Kardinal Lehman dari Jerman, dari Mesir Kardinal Naguib kardinal, dan dari Hong Kong Kardinal Tong Hon.
Itu berarti, kini jumlah kardinal pemilih yang sudah hadir di Roma sebanyak 113.
Juru bicara Vatikan Pastor Federico Lombardi SJ mengatakan tersisa dua kardinal yang belum tiba untuk mengikuti Konklaf memilih Paus pengganti Benediktus XVI yang mundur pada akhir Februari lalu. Yakni Kardinal Nycz dari Warsawa (dijadwalkan tiba Rabu sore) dan dari Vietnam Kardinal Pham (tiba Kamis).
Lombardi menjelaskan pertemuan kali ini lebih membahas mengenai pelbagai persoalan yang tengah dihadapi Gereja Katolik sekarang. Dan invetarisasi persoalan yang kini tengah menjadi polemik dan tantangan di masa-masa mendatang yang bakal menjadi tugas Paus di masa depan.
Lombardi juga mengatakan hingga kini masih belum ditentukan tanggal Konklaf akan digelar oleh dewan kardinal. "Untuk tanggal belum ada ditetapkan untuk konklaf," ujarnya.

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PostSubyek: Re: Calon Paus.   7th March 2013, 06:49

Mengapa terkesan lambat sekali ya para kardinal itu tiba di Vatican? Ngga ada penerbangan ke Roma, atau ada yang harus diselesaikan dulu sebelum berangkat?

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NEW ADVENT BUZZ METER:
GET TO KNOW YOUR CARDINALS

Updated March 3, 2013


Here are the 115 cardinal electors, ranked according to a "buzz"
score calculated by New Advent. This score is based on a cardinal's
relative influence and visibility, and adjusted daily based on Google
search activity in various languages (see Google Trends). This list is not intended as a prediction of the outcome of the conclave or as a judgment on the worthiness of each man. The
first number is the rank as calculated on March 3. The second number is
the change in rank (if any) between February 27 and March 3.



1 TURKSON +1 - Allen, Palmo, Vatican, YouTube - Ranking may be exaggerated due to bandwagon effect among secular media
2 SCOLA -1 - Allen, Palmo, Twitter, Vatican, YouTube
3 RODRÍGUEZ +2 - Allen, Palmo, Vatican
4 BAGNASCO -1 - Allen, Palmo, Vatican, YouTube
5 BERTONE +1 - Palmo, Vatican - Ranking may be exaggerated due to prominence as former Secretary of State
6 OUELLET +1 - Allen, Palmo, Vatican, YouTube
7 RAVASI +1 - Allen, Palmo, Twitter, Vatican, YouTube
8 TAGLE -4 - Allen, Palmo, Vatican, YouTube
9 O'MALLEY +5 - Allen, Palmo, Twitter, Vatican
10 BRAZ DE AVIZ +2 - Vatican
11 SANDRI -2 - Allen, Palmo, Vatican, YouTube
12 CALCAGNO -1 - Vatican
13 SCHERER - Allen, Palmo, RomeReports, Twitter, Vatican, YouTube
14 SCHÖNBORN +4 - Allen, Palmo, Vatican
15 ERDŐ -5 - Allen, Vatican, YouTube
16 DOLAN -1 - Palmo, Twitter, Vatican, YouTube
17 CIPRIANI - Bermudez, Palmo, Vatican
18 KOCH +4 - Palmo, Vatican
19 ROUCO -3 - Palmo, Vatican
20 VINGT-TROIS -1 - Lawler, Vatican
21 SEPE - Palmo, Vatican
22 PENGO -2 - Vatican
23 PELL - Palmo, RomeReports, Vatican
24 COMASTRI +1 - Palmo, Vatican
25 RICARD -1 - Palmo, Vatican
26 O'BRIEN - Palmo, Vatican
27 BURKE +1 - Palmo, Vatican
28 GRACIAS -1 - Palmo, Vatican
29 WUERL +1 - Palmo, Vatican
30 DZIWISZ -1 - Palmo, Vatican
31 RIVERA +1 - Palmo, Vatican
32 ONAIYEKAN -1 - Allen, Palmo, Vatican
33 SARAH +10 - Allen, Vatican, YouTube
34 VALLINI - Palmo, Vatican
35 NAPIER -2 - Twitter, Vatican
36 BOZANIĆ -1 - Vatican
37 WOELKI +1 - Palmo, Vatican
38 ROMEO -2 - Vatican
39 MARX - Palmo, Vatican
40 NICORA -3 - Palmo, Vatican
41 MONSENGWO -1 - Vatican
42 GROCHOLEWSKI -1 - Palmo, Vatican
43 PIACENZA +5 - Vatican, Zenit
44 BETORI -2 - Vatican
45 NJUE -1 - Palmo, Vatican
46 UROSA -1 - Palmo, Vatican
47 NYCZ -1 - Palmo, Vatican
48 VERSALDI -1 - Vatican
49 BARBARIN - Palmo, Vatican
50 RANJITH +1 - Allen, Palmo, Vatican
51 FILONI -1 - Palmo, Vatican
52 BERGOGLIO - Allen, Palmo, Vatican
53 LAJOLO +3 - Palmo, Vatican
54 ALENCHERRY - Vatican
55 CAÑIZARES -2 - Palmo, Vatican
56 EIJK -1 - Vatican
57 BERTELLO - Vatican
58 TOPPO - Palmo, Vatican
59 SALAZAR +6 - Vatican
60 PULJIĆ -1 - Vatican
61 COLLINS -1 - Palmo, Vatican, YouTube
62 SARR - Palmo, Vatican
63 DUKA -2 - Palmo, Vatican
64 ROBLES -1 - Twitter, Vatican
65 CAFFARRA -1 - Palmo, Vatican
66 KASPER +3 - Palmo, Vatican
67 MARTÍNEZ +1 - Palmo, Vatican
68 DINARDO -2 - Allen, Palmo, Vatican
69 MEISNER -2 - Palmo, Vatican
70 TONG - Palmo, Vatican
71 LEVADA +1 - Palmo, Vatican
72 RYŁKO -1 - Vatican
73 ZUBEIR - Vatican
74 HARVEY - Palmo, Vatican
75 ORTEGA - Palmo, Vatican
76 COCCOPALMERIO +1 - Palmo, Vatican
77 MONTEIRO -1 - Vatican
78 AMATO +1 - Palmo, Vatican
79 BAČKIS -1 - Vatican
80 RAÏ - Vatican
81 THOTTUNKAL - Palmo, Vatican
82 POLICARPO - Vatican
83 PHAM MINH MÂN - Vatican
84 TAURAN - Allen, Palmo, Vatican
85 TERRAZAS - Vatican
86 ASSIS - Vatican
87 DIAS - Palmo, Vatican
88 TETTAMANZI - Palmo, Vatican
89 LEHMANN +1 - Palmo, Vatican
90 HUMMES -1 - Palmo, Vatican
91 RE - Palmo, Vatican
92 ABRIL Y CASTELLÓ - Palmo, Vatican
93 GEORGE +1 - Palmo, Vatican
94 VEGLIÒ -1 - Vatican
95 CORDES - Palmo, Vatican
96 ANTONELLI - Palmo, Vatican
97 MAHONY - Palmo, Vatican
98 RODÉ - Palmo, Vatican
99 DE PAOLIS - Palmo, Vatican
100 RIGALI +1 - Palmo, Vatican
101 TURCOTTE -1 - Vatican
102 BRADY - Palmo, Vatican
103 SANDOVAL - Vatican
104 DANNEELS - Palmo, Vatican
105 OKOGIE - Vatican
106 LÓPEZ - Vatican
107 MONTERISI - Palmo, Vatican
108 ERRÁZURIZ - Palmo, Vatican
109 SARDI - Vatican
110 NAGUIB - Vatican
111 POLETTO - Vatican
112 FARINA - Palmo, Vatican
113 AMIGO - Vatican
114 VELA - Vatican
115 AGNELO - Vatican

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